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Ça va mal à VB: plus de proprio
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Mariners' main investor out; soccer team's future up in the air
By TRIS WYKES, The Virginian-Pilot
© March 21, 2007 | Last updated 11:12 PM Mar. 21
VIRGINIA BEACH - The Virginia Beach Mariners' latest owner has walked away from the soccer franchise, leaving its players and staff unpaid and its future uncertain, the team's coach said Wednesday.
Colin Clarke, a former Major League Soccer coach hired less than four months ago by Florida businessman Mike Sidebottom, said Sidebottom announced in a Tuesday e-mail to the Mariners' staff that he is no longer involved with the team.
The Mariners are members of the First Division, the top level of competition in the United Soccer Leagues. Tim Holt, the USL's executive vice president, said in a Wednesday e-mail that because of "an internal dispute," no person or group is "taking responsibility for financing the continued operation of the franchise."
"Although the league is working diligently to bring resolution to the situation, we are unable to rule out any scenario at this time," the statement concluded.
Sidebottom's withdrawal follows Mariners players and staff not receiving scheduled paychecks on March 15. It's the latest in a string of financial miscues to plague Mariners teams since pro soccer came the Virginia Beach Sportsplex in 1998.
Sidebottom, who purchased controlling interest in the Mariners in mid-November, did not respond to phone messages and e-mails Tuesday or Wednesday.
The 53-year-old finance and real estate businessman was optimistic when he bought the team.
"I have a long list of things I want to do with the team," Sidebottom said in December. "Six months from now, you can tell me if I've done what I talked about."
Rick Rowe, parks coordinator for the city of Virginia Beach, oversees the Sportsplex. Rowe said in an e-mail Wednesday that "my understanding is that there is still some unfinished business related to the sale... of Virginia Beach Soccer LLC from the previous owner, Jerry McDonnell, to the current majority owner, Mike Sidebottom."
McDonnell, a Norfolk businessman, said Wednesday night that he sold the team to Sidebottom on Nov. 15. "He's got a signed document to that effect," McDonnell said.
McDonnell said that he is unwilling to reacquire the team, and that Sidebottom never paid him for the Mariners.
McDonnell said he sold to Sidebottom because he "came on the strongest" out of several suitors.
"He came across straight to everyone," McDonnell said. "He's done a total breach of everything he said he would do, and it's a real sad thing."
The Mariners are scheduled to open the season April 13 and play their home opener April 21. Clarke was signed by Sidebottom to a five-year contract but said Wednesday that he now considers that pact, along with the 17 signed by his players, to be void.
"I don't have a contract right now, like everybody else out here," the coach said while the Mariners trudged off the field after Wednesday's practice. "We're trying to get new ownership people involved."
Local businessmen Mark Garcea and Page Johnson, owners of the first Mariners franchise, helped persuade Virginia Beach officials to build the soccer-specific Sportsplex, which opened in July 1998. They later negotiated an exit from a 20-year Sportsplex lease and took the franchise dormant in 2001.
A group headed by New York businessman Scott Goodman brought a relocated franchise to the Sportsplex in 2002 but ran out of cash during the campaign. Mike Field, a First Colonial High graduate and Washington-area car dealer, then bought the team, but he also suffered financial problems and sold it to investors led by McDonnell in mid-2005.
Matt Nelson, a goalkeeper who joined the team under Field's ownership, spoke glowingly of Sidebottom during a Jan. 11 news conference to introduce the new owner and various corporate sponsors.
"In the past, we haven't had the best ownership, but I've never been as excited about an owner as I have with him," Nelson said at the time.
Wednesday, a chagrined Nelson didn't want to comment on Sidebottom's exit. However, he said Sidebottom had recently been working at the Sportsplex several days a week and had assured employees that the missed paychecks were the product of an administrative glitch.
Not getting paid "was alarming," veteran midfielder Jeff Bilyk said. "But I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and I assumed it was a mistake and that they'd have the paychecks this week."
That hasn't happened and players, although some have received daily per diems, haven't been paid for three weeks of preseason training.
In addition, the Virginia Beach Submariners, an amateur team founded and operated by the Mariners last season, is slated to compete again this summer, coach Jon Hall said.
For now, it's Clarke and his troops who are closest to the chaos. Prospects have been brought in from across North America in hopes of improving on last season's 8-12-8 record.
"We've put together a young, hungry team that's shown a lot of good qualities in preseason," Clarke said. "We'll be disappointed if it has to move or gets folded, but if these guys aren't playing here, they'll be playing somewhere else."
• Reach Tris Wykes at (757) 446-2367 or at tris.wykes@pilotonline.com
Mariners' main investor out; soccer team's future up in the air
By TRIS WYKES, The Virginian-Pilot
© March 21, 2007 | Last updated 11:12 PM Mar. 21
VIRGINIA BEACH - The Virginia Beach Mariners' latest owner has walked away from the soccer franchise, leaving its players and staff unpaid and its future uncertain, the team's coach said Wednesday.
Colin Clarke, a former Major League Soccer coach hired less than four months ago by Florida businessman Mike Sidebottom, said Sidebottom announced in a Tuesday e-mail to the Mariners' staff that he is no longer involved with the team.
The Mariners are members of the First Division, the top level of competition in the United Soccer Leagues. Tim Holt, the USL's executive vice president, said in a Wednesday e-mail that because of "an internal dispute," no person or group is "taking responsibility for financing the continued operation of the franchise."
"Although the league is working diligently to bring resolution to the situation, we are unable to rule out any scenario at this time," the statement concluded.
Sidebottom's withdrawal follows Mariners players and staff not receiving scheduled paychecks on March 15. It's the latest in a string of financial miscues to plague Mariners teams since pro soccer came the Virginia Beach Sportsplex in 1998.
Sidebottom, who purchased controlling interest in the Mariners in mid-November, did not respond to phone messages and e-mails Tuesday or Wednesday.
The 53-year-old finance and real estate businessman was optimistic when he bought the team.
"I have a long list of things I want to do with the team," Sidebottom said in December. "Six months from now, you can tell me if I've done what I talked about."
Rick Rowe, parks coordinator for the city of Virginia Beach, oversees the Sportsplex. Rowe said in an e-mail Wednesday that "my understanding is that there is still some unfinished business related to the sale... of Virginia Beach Soccer LLC from the previous owner, Jerry McDonnell, to the current majority owner, Mike Sidebottom."
McDonnell, a Norfolk businessman, said Wednesday night that he sold the team to Sidebottom on Nov. 15. "He's got a signed document to that effect," McDonnell said.
McDonnell said that he is unwilling to reacquire the team, and that Sidebottom never paid him for the Mariners.
McDonnell said he sold to Sidebottom because he "came on the strongest" out of several suitors.
"He came across straight to everyone," McDonnell said. "He's done a total breach of everything he said he would do, and it's a real sad thing."
The Mariners are scheduled to open the season April 13 and play their home opener April 21. Clarke was signed by Sidebottom to a five-year contract but said Wednesday that he now considers that pact, along with the 17 signed by his players, to be void.
"I don't have a contract right now, like everybody else out here," the coach said while the Mariners trudged off the field after Wednesday's practice. "We're trying to get new ownership people involved."
Local businessmen Mark Garcea and Page Johnson, owners of the first Mariners franchise, helped persuade Virginia Beach officials to build the soccer-specific Sportsplex, which opened in July 1998. They later negotiated an exit from a 20-year Sportsplex lease and took the franchise dormant in 2001.
A group headed by New York businessman Scott Goodman brought a relocated franchise to the Sportsplex in 2002 but ran out of cash during the campaign. Mike Field, a First Colonial High graduate and Washington-area car dealer, then bought the team, but he also suffered financial problems and sold it to investors led by McDonnell in mid-2005.
Matt Nelson, a goalkeeper who joined the team under Field's ownership, spoke glowingly of Sidebottom during a Jan. 11 news conference to introduce the new owner and various corporate sponsors.
"In the past, we haven't had the best ownership, but I've never been as excited about an owner as I have with him," Nelson said at the time.
Wednesday, a chagrined Nelson didn't want to comment on Sidebottom's exit. However, he said Sidebottom had recently been working at the Sportsplex several days a week and had assured employees that the missed paychecks were the product of an administrative glitch.
Not getting paid "was alarming," veteran midfielder Jeff Bilyk said. "But I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, and I assumed it was a mistake and that they'd have the paychecks this week."
That hasn't happened and players, although some have received daily per diems, haven't been paid for three weeks of preseason training.
In addition, the Virginia Beach Submariners, an amateur team founded and operated by the Mariners last season, is slated to compete again this summer, coach Jon Hall said.
For now, it's Clarke and his troops who are closest to the chaos. Prospects have been brought in from across North America in hopes of improving on last season's 8-12-8 record.
"We've put together a young, hungry team that's shown a lot of good qualities in preseason," Clarke said. "We'll be disappointed if it has to move or gets folded, but if these guys aren't playing here, they'll be playing somewhere else."
• Reach Tris Wykes at (757) 446-2367 or at tris.wykes@pilotonline.com
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Faudra revoir les horaires
Et voilà c'est fait, une équipe de moins en D-1
Memo: From United Soccer Leagues to Virginia Beach Mariners
The Virginian-Pilot
© March 29, 2007
To: All Virginia Beach Mariners Staff and Players
From: USL Management
Date: March 29, 2007
Re: Team Status
Despite our best efforts over the past ten days to find new ownership willing to fund and operate the Virginia Beach Mariners through at least the 2007 season, it is with our deepest regrets we inform you that we have not be able to achieve this objective. As a result of our inability to find new ownership and with the start of the USL First Division season rapidly approaching, we are left no other option but to remove the team from the schedule effective immediately. We will publicly announce this decision later today.
L'outaouais EST québécois, et fan de l'Impact
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Chouette... voilà un gros trou dans notre calendrier :
Vendredi 13 juillet 19h30 Carolina Railhawks - Impact Montréal
Dimanche 15 juillet 18h05 Minnesota Thunder - Impact Montréal
Mardi 24 juillet 19h30 Virginia Beach Mariners - Impact Montréal
Mercredi 1 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Virginia Beach Mariners
Dimanche 5 août 16h00 Impact Montréal - Rochester Raging Rhinos
Vendredi 10 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Virginia Beach Mariners
Jeudi 16 août 22h00 California Victory - Impact Montréal
Samedi 18 août 22h00 Vancouver Whitecaps - Impact Montréal
Samedi 18 août 22h00 Vancouver Whitecaps - Impact Montréal
Vendredi 24 août 20h00 Rochester Raging Rhinos - Impact Montréal
Dimanche 26 août 18h00 Carolina Railhawks - Impact Montréal
Vendredi 31 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Rochester Raging Rhinos
L'Impact jouera donc UN match du 15 juillet au 16 août.
Et un seul match à domicile du 29 juin au 31 août. Qui dit mieux?
Vendredi 13 juillet 19h30 Carolina Railhawks - Impact Montréal
Dimanche 15 juillet 18h05 Minnesota Thunder - Impact Montréal
Mardi 24 juillet 19h30 Virginia Beach Mariners - Impact Montréal
Mercredi 1 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Virginia Beach Mariners
Dimanche 5 août 16h00 Impact Montréal - Rochester Raging Rhinos
Vendredi 10 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Virginia Beach Mariners
Jeudi 16 août 22h00 California Victory - Impact Montréal
Samedi 18 août 22h00 Vancouver Whitecaps - Impact Montréal
Samedi 18 août 22h00 Vancouver Whitecaps - Impact Montréal
Vendredi 24 août 20h00 Rochester Raging Rhinos - Impact Montréal
Dimanche 26 août 18h00 Carolina Railhawks - Impact Montréal
Vendredi 31 août 19h00 Impact Montréal - Rochester Raging Rhinos
L'Impact jouera donc UN match du 15 juillet au 16 août.
Et un seul match à domicile du 29 juin au 31 août. Qui dit mieux?
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Pas de panique, on remplace les matchs en jouant contre d'autres formations :
http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/174820.html
Le 18 juillet, l'Impact jouera au Minnesota pour remplacer le match du 24 juillet à VB.
Le 1er août, c'est les Railhawks qui viennent nous visiter.
Le 10 août, c'est au tour de Miami de servir de bouche-trou.
http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/174820.html
Le 18 juillet, l'Impact jouera au Minnesota pour remplacer le match du 24 juillet à VB.
Le 1er août, c'est les Railhawks qui viennent nous visiter.
Le 10 août, c'est au tour de Miami de servir de bouche-trou.
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Absolument ridicule. Ligue de broche a foin. Chaque club devrait presenter des garanties un an a l'avance pour eviter des departs de la sorte a la veille d'une nouvelle saison.
Cela va juste convaincre plus de gens (moi ca fait une couple d'annees que je suis convaincu
) qu'il faut ficher le camp dans la MLS OPC.
Il n'y a pas d'avenir dans cette ligue la selon mon humble opinion.
Cela va juste convaincre plus de gens (moi ca fait une couple d'annees que je suis convaincu

Il n'y a pas d'avenir dans cette ligue la selon mon humble opinion.

Christian
Allez l'Impact!
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Nous avons une égalité ici.Christian a écrit :Oublies-pas le Lynx qui a aussi quitte....Mpenza a écrit :Je suis d'accord avec Christian. La USL, c'est un pas en avant, deux en arrière.
Quoique cette fois-ci, c'est plutôt deux pas en avant (Railhawks et Victory), un en arrière (Mariners)...

Football, always football.
''My name is Jack Bauer, and this is the longest day of my life.''
Jack Bauer.
''I'm federal agent Jack Bauer, and today is the longest day of my life.''
Jack Bauer.
''My name is Jack Bauer, and this is the longest day of my life.''
Jack Bauer.
''I'm federal agent Jack Bauer, and today is the longest day of my life.''
Jack Bauer.
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C'est le systeme de promotion-relegation made in the USL.Mpenza a écrit :J'avais oublié les Lynx.![]()
On fait du sur place, en effet.
On a eu droit à deux équipes d'expansion, et on est au même nombre d'équipes qu'en 2006. Faut le faire.

Tout ca pour faire plaisir aux puristes.

Christian
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Atlanta n'attire pas beaucoup mais je crois sous toute reserve que son proprietaire est plein comme un boudin donc il ne devrait pas y avoir de probleme.Mpenza a écrit :Qui sera la prochaine à disparaître?
Je mets un 2 piasses sur Minnesota, suivi du Victory (sévère, je sais).
Pour les remplacer, le retour de Syracuse et une remontée de Richmond?
Sinon, une équipe au Texas...
Syracuse de retour serait une magnifique nouvelle. C'est meme moins loin que Toronto je crois. Syracuse = environ 5 heures et Toronto = environ 6 heures.
Christian
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À Atlanta, y'a pas un chat qui va voir jouer les Silverbacks. Y'a pas non plus une seule station de télé là-bas qui s'intéresse à l'équipe. À chaque fois qu'on a essayé d'avoir des images pour RDS, on s'est fait répondre presque en riant par les télés locales.
Par contre, le proprio est riche riche riche... et ça l'amuse d'avoir un club de soccer.
Par contre, le proprio est riche riche riche... et ça l'amuse d'avoir un club de soccer.
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Christian a écrit :Absolument ridicule. Ligue de broche a foin. Chaque club devrait presenter des garanties un an a l'avance pour eviter des departs de la sorte a la veille d'une nouvelle saison.
Cela va juste convaincre plus de gens (moi ca fait une couple d'annees que je suis convaincu) qu'il faut ficher le camp dans la MLS OPC.
Il n'y a pas d'avenir dans cette ligue la selon mon humble opinion.
Comme j'ai déjà dit dans mes anciens messages, les deux problèmes de cette ligue ce sont les finances et les assistances. Tant et aussi longtemps que la ligue règlera pas ces deux problèmes, cette ligue va être très fragile.Corbin a écrit :À Atlanta, y'a pas un chat qui va voir jouer les Silverbacks. Y'a pas non plus une seule station de télé là-bas qui s'intéresse à l'équipe. À chaque fois qu'on a essayé d'avoir des images pour RDS, on s'est fait répondre presque en riant par les télés locales.
Par contre, le proprio est riche riche riche... et ça l'amuse d'avoir un club de soccer.
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Yes! Les trois équipes les moins intéressantes de la ligue!Mpenza a écrit :Pas de panique, on remplace les matchs en jouant contre d'autres formations :
http://www.uslsoccer.com/home/174820.html
Le 18 juillet, l'Impact jouera au Minnesota pour remplacer le match du 24 juillet à VB.
Le 1er août, c'est les Railhawks qui viennent nous visiter.
Le 10 août, c'est au tour de Miami de servir de bouche-trou.
Pour ce qui est de la caution: le proprio est supposé le verser à la ligue, mais c'est à peine pour opérer une équipe en saison (on l'a vu avec l'Impact en 2001) sans payer les joueurs. Que l'équipe flanche avant la saison, la caution n'est pas assez élevée.
Et il y avait tout ce bordel comme quoi le proprio ce n'était pas officiellement le proprio, etc.
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